AT-performance tuned 488whp 18-19psi pumpgas stockbore.

[Atec]

At wastegate spring (7psi) It did 384,7whp @9100rpm on pump gas.
At Avcr set on 14,4psi(it spiked to 16-17psi) it did 527,6whp @9100rpm on pump gas.
That is I believe a Europe record..this is still on a stocksleeved block.



Dynosheet







The car

[Koco]

Dude i just fell love in you and your friends teggy! Awsome results on the dyno!

[Atec]

Dude i just fell love in you and your friends teggy! Awsome results on the dyno!

Thank you

[Atec]

Shakedown!

The main goal of this day was to test the setup before the final day on saturday, test tirepresshure, boost presshure, and what kind of sparkplugs gave a optimal temprature after 10laps.

full boost was a bit overkill at the track with the R compound, I lowered the boost and tire pressure a bit when the tires whas hot and startet to test the car.
we did not bother to take laptimes yet, we are going to use fullslicks on trackday if it does not start to rain, but the car was really really fast, at the straightline I dont think any skylines, porche or evos could match, the Dtm BMW had higher curvespeed but again they were on full slicks, we tried to hold the car steady(I like going sideways when the tires dont want to hang with the speed I want to go)

I had a great time, testing out the setup and will be posting some actionpictures of the car.

[Atec]

[M Scotte]

What was the purpose of the test, only to see if it runs without problems or to setup the car?

What is the purpose of the car in total? Fast streetcar or a track car?

For grip try out a pair of r-compound tires like 225-45-16 for better traction, Azenis is a good street tire but not really for track use.

[Asse]

Nice car, what the suspension setup are you running?
Any more track events at Rudskogen this year?

[Atec]

What was the purpose of the test, only to see if it runs without problems or to setup the car?

What is the purpose of the car in total? Fast streetcar or a track car?

For grip try out a pair of r-compound tires like 225-45-16 for better traction, Azenis is a good street tire but not really for track use.

We used R888 ond rallyslicks for the main event. Btw if you look well under the ITR fenders you can see 205 was the widest we could use with enough rubber(55-16 profile)

Purpose? you can see on the dynosheet. to make the engine breath past 9000 and to dyno 530hp at the weels on a moderate pressure( to keep the turbo in its efficiency area)

And to drive at the last gatebil exteem class for 2009 with Norways probably fastest FWD.

[Hammerin]

With that kind of power i would not go smaller on the tires than 245, you will need grip when you stand on the brakes, your speed on the straits will probably be at least 190-230 km/h, that generates insane energy that will need to put down in the ground when breaking and accelerating the car.

Whats that big thing on the coldside of the charge pipes ? For how many minutes did you stay att the track at full attack ?? Did you get eny heating problems or problems with the crankcase vent ??

Very nice car, and its nice to see it at work at the track, that is what its build for by Honda, i hope it stay´s that way :thumbup: :worthy:

[Atec]

With that kind of power i would not go smaller on the tires than 245, you will need grip when you stand on the brakes, your speed on the straits will probably be at least 190-230 km/h, that generates insane energy that will need to put down in the ground when breaking and accelerating the car.

Whats that big thing on the coldside of the charge pipes ? For how many minutes did you stay att the track at full attack ?? Did you get eny heating problems or problems with the crankcase vent ??

Very nice car, and its nice to see it at work at the track, that is what its build for by Honda, i hope it stay´s that way :thumbup: :worthy:

Yes that is true, but as I said, to fit 245 R compound or fullslick under the fender with enough tirewall is easyer said than done, and bodywork was not an option at the moment..!!

Btw we did 235km/t on the straight before retardation.

we did about 10 laps before we had to drive into the pit, the halfsize rad with a oil and intercooler in front of it does not give enough cooling to go laps after laps with that kind of power. the exhaust also created a good amount of radiant heat that also made the water temprature rise.

Car was mainly built to be a fast streetcar but also to perform at the track without destroy the car with ripped interior etc.

[Asse]

I run 225-45-16 Dunlop Direzzas on 16x8" ET35 wheels on my Integra.
Some fender massage in the rear and -3,5 camber, then good to go.
In the US the drive 255 all around on a teg but thats need some more modifications.
But as Scotte says you need at least 225 wide tyres.

[M Scotte]

215-45 is easily fitted underneath the DC2 fenders, and 225-45-16 with slight modification to fenders. R888 would not be my first choice if you are after the title fastest FWD, try some Dunlops Direzzas 03g och Bridgestone Re55S. If it´s a short period of time for the time attack, try some Kumho medium V70A 225-45-16 on 8" wheels.
What suspension setup are you running, and what aligment?

The dynosheet does not excatly tell that it´s for track pupose with that amount of power.

[Atec]

Nice car, what the suspension setup are you running?
Any more track events at Rudskogen this year?

We use Tein suspension, no more track events this year

[M Scotte]

I run 245-45-16 Dunlop Direzzas on 16x8" ET35 wheels on my Integra.
Some fender massage in the rear and -3,5 camber, then good to go.
In the US the drive 255 all around on a teg but thats need some more modifications.
But as Scotte says you need at least 225 wide tyres.

Kör du 245?? Sinnes......

[M Scotte]

<!--quoteo(post=566131:date=29 Sep 2009, 09:59:38:name=Asse)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Asse 4 29 Sep 2009, 09:59:38) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=566131"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Nice car, what the suspension setup are you running?
Any more track events at Rudskogen this year?

We use Tein suspension, no more track events this year
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Tein suspension, with what setup? F/R spring rates, sway bars, alignment?

[Asse]

<!--quoteo(post=566137:date=29 Sep 2009, 10:22:33:name=Asse)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Asse 4 29 Sep 2009, 10:22:33) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=566137"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I run 245-45-16 Dunlop Direzzas on 16x8" ET35 wheels on my Integra.
Some fender massage in the rear and -3,5 camber, then good to go.
In the US the drive 255 all around on a teg but thats need some more modifications.
But as Scotte says you need at least 225 wide tyres.

Kör du 245?? Sinnes......
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Sorry, 225

[M Scotte]

Synd, för då hade man ju kunnat hoppas på att det var dina överfeta sulor som gjort dina grymma tider.=)

Back to Atec:

Is it that easy to be fastest FWD in Norway, all you need is a lot of power and no traction?

[Atec]

215-45 is easily fitted underneath the DC2 fenders, and 225-45-16 with slight modification to fenders. R888 would not be my first choice if you are after the title fastest FWD, try some Dunlops Direzzas 03g och Bridgestone Re55S. If it´s a short period of time for the time attack, try some Kumho medium V70A 225-45-16 on 8" wheels.
What suspension setup are you running, and what aligment?

The dynosheet does not excatly tell that it´s for track pupose with that amount of power.

Belive me, any wider than the 205-55-16 of these slicks under the fenders will NOT fit.
I know this car better than you do, and dont you think I`ve had wider tires in mind? I mean come on!!!
The man who tuned and designed, ported, flowed the engine, but think he can drive on bicycle tires, and do not know anything about physical laws or tiresetups? you think that sounds real?

With the 205-55 rallyslick(square tirewalls) and 7mm spacers(spooncalipers hit the weel if not) the inside plastic fenderprotectors(dont know the english word) was ripped out wen the car did a turn, you can slightly hear the rubber hit the fender wen you do a hard turn in.

The car did fine on that power, we also have a AVCR set up to boost by gears. but yes we need a wide track with straightlines and highspeed curves to make the car go fast at the track. for short tight tracks we simply set the AVCR in off possition and that leaves the car with more driveable 384,7whp.

[Atec]

<!--quoteo(post=566139:date=29 Sep 2009, 10:23:49:name=Atec)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Atec 4 29 Sep 2009, 10:23:49) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=566139"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=566131:date=29 Sep 2009, 09:59:38:name=Asse)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Asse 4 29 Sep 2009, 09:59:38) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=566131"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Nice car, what the suspension setup are you running?
Any more track events at Rudskogen this year?

We use Tein suspension, no more track events this year
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Tein suspension, with what setup? F/R spring rates, sway bars, alignment?
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You are asking me of a recepie on this car, that is details I will not give you.
If you want the springrate, parts, or alignement, and the weight distribution on your car you have to buy it

[M Scotte]

So if I say that I know a DC2 can easily handle wider tires then the 205, I´m a liar? Does your DC2 differs from the ones we handle? I know you are not going on original camber settings, because you wanted to try out for Norways fastest FWD, why not give it a good 3,5 degrees and get those 225 on? Why would you drive on 205-55? Final gear ratings?

EDIT: Did not read until now that you are going on 7mm spacers, that would probably end up with ET 30 or something, no wonder that the wheels are hitting the inner fender protection with that high profile tire.

[M Scotte]

<!--quoteo(post=566141:date=29 Sep 2009, 10:26:47:name=M Scotte)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(M Scotte 4 29 Sep 2009, 10:26:47) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=566141"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=566139:date=29 Sep 2009, 10:23:49:name=Atec)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Atec 4 29 Sep 2009, 10:23:49) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=566139"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=566131:date=29 Sep 2009, 09:59:38:name=Asse)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Asse 4 29 Sep 2009, 09:59:38) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=566131"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Nice car, what the suspension setup are you running?
Any more track events at Rudskogen this year?

We use Tein suspension, no more track events this year
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Tein suspension, with what setup? F/R spring rates, sway bars, alignment?
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

You are asking me of a recepie on this car, that is details I will not give you.
If you want the springrate, parts, or alignement, and the weight distribution on your car you have to buy it
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No problem, sectrets always tend to hold nothing new. We at Honda Performance Club tend to have as little secrets possible to help each other out in best possible way, no mather if it´s the slowest or fastest guys.

[Atec]

So if I say that I know a DC2 can easily handle wider tires then the 205, I´m a liar? Does your DC2 differs from the ones we handle? I know you are not going on original camber settings, because you wanted to try out for Norways fastest FWD, why not give it a good 3,5 degrees and get those 225 on? Why would you drive on 205-55? Final gear ratings?

EDIT: Did not read until now that you are going on 7mm spacers, that would probably end up with ET 30 or something, no wonder that the wheels are hitting the inner fender protection with that high profile tire.

Exakt, as I said wide tires was in my mind, but then we had to roll the fenders, and to do bodywork was not an option.
With stock brakes we could fit wider tires, but we choose good brakes over wide tires, and instead dod go with a bit harder and better compound (slick) than the R tires. to try to compensate.

Anyway, to do 235km/t on rudskogen racetrack is wery rare, the coenisegg CCR did around 220km/t in the straight line. So I dont think we had that bad tracktion.
BUT, the tires did get WERY hot after 10 laps, as did the coolingwater.

[Atec]

Here are the preparations after the test run right before the extreme class event:

Some pictures at the dyno


We changed and balanced new tires on the weels, the intence 4weel drifting I did with the old tires melted up the rear tires, this is the right rear tire... we had melted rubber on the rear fender and almost up to the roof



Picture of the brakes after one trackday:





The new tires are threaded asphalt slicks used in wrc rally, we actually got a fair good hookup on the three first gears at with cold tires outside the shop...


We also used nitrogen instead of air in the tires, steady tire pressure is now not a problem any more....

[Hammerin]

remember that the with of the tire are diffrent between brands, 205 can som times be the same with as an other brands 225. :shock1:

[Atec]

We mounted a deeper steering wheel more suited for tall persons like me.

[Atec]

remember that the with of the tire are diffrent between brands, 205 can som times be the same with as an other brands 225. :shock1:

Yes exact, hehe that is why I stated Slicks with SQUARE walls.. they are wider than the 215 "azen" tires

[M Scotte]

Melted rear tires from side drifting? Looks like normal build up on a FWD car on track days? Rubber everywhere is normal.

Have you driven on a track before?

Rally slicks does not work very good on tracks, they are not constructed for that type of driving. R-compounds are better in every aspect.

[Atec]

Melted rear tires from side drifting? Looks like normal build up on a FWD car on track days? Rubber everywhere is normal.

Have you driven on a track before?

Rally slicks does not work very good on tracks, they are not constructed for that type of driving. R-compounds are better in every aspect.

Yes

Yes

Have you ever tried these and compared them to the R compound? for only 10 laps the slick hooks WAY better than the R compound.
But for long phase runs they will overheat.

Why are you beeing so critical to EVERY thing I say? do you have any type of "underdog" side so that you need to outspell everything I write?
we have two guys with 20 years of racing experience to do the allignment, tire setups etc, and myself with 9 years of experience in engine building and tuning.

One word that answer it all, Everything for its spesific use. Okey?

I will not sit here I try to explain the choice of this and that, and every time the same person who appears to be a moderator, questening everything that is done in a way that is not appropiate.
The only guy with this kind of attitude is you M scotte. and no one else on this post.
If you dont like the car, or the persons behind it for anykind of reason, no one forces you to look at the thread.

I was just showing that the car is a stock sleeved 1.8l honda with 527,6whp @ around 0.9-1.1bar pressure, and what we accieved with it in one month this year. with our porting and our setup. also that the engine breathes where we want it to be, and that we have reached our goal with it.

[M Scotte]

From my point of view it all looks a bit strange.

You write that you are expirenced, but everthing BUT the engine tells otherwise. Could it be that I´m so critical, because you act as you have the absolute truth about racing(any form) in your hand, and are not willing to take advice from others on this board? Or are you just used to not being questioned?

Remember that swedish Honda performance drivers are probably alot more expirenced in racing then your average norway honda driver, this is what this club is build around. You might also be aware that most people tend to not criticies your choices in an open forum, since you are well respected among the members of this board.

You deliver your message as the only one in nordic region to actually deliver "true performance", and that we all can learn from you. Many people in this board will out-expirence you and your company on many levels. But from the text notes I read from you, ATEC is number one in all aspects, no mather what the specified use is.

Just to have an end to this "bad mouth talking", you are more then welcome to participate in a driving activity next year to out perfom all of us with less cars.

We always questioned choices that have been tried out in an earlier stage and did not work out as we hoped, when ever a new writer comes in and are about to do the same "mistake", we always try to get him/her to change their minds.

In the end for this club, it all comes out to help everyone to get faster, not individuals, but as a group. And so far, with the common knowledge in this Club, this have been a straight path eversince. This club have the fastest FWD in Sweden(every form of racing), not only one or two cars, but a whole bunch, all thanks to the spirit with-in this club to help everyone out, and not keeping secrets if you are the fastest. This is the true core of this club, and hopefully always will.

[Atec]

From my point of view it all looks a bit strange.

You write that you are expirenced, but everthing BUT the engine tells otherwise. Could it be that I´m so critical, because you act as you have the absolute truth about racing(any form) in your hand, and are not willing to take advice from others on this board? Or are you just used to not being questioned?

Remember that swedish Honda performance drivers are probably alot more expirenced in racing then your average norway honda driver, this is what this club is build around. You might also be aware that most people tend to not criticies your choices in an open forum, since you are well respected among the members of this board.

You deliver your message as the only one in nordic region to actually deliver "true performance", and that we all can learn from you. Many people in this board will out-expirence you and your company on many levels. But from the text notes I read from you, ATEC is number one in all aspects, no mather what the specified use is.

Just to have an end to this "bad mouth talking", you are more then welcome to participate in a driving activity next year to out perfom all of us with less cars.

We always questioned choices that have been tried out in an earlier stage and did not work out as we hoped, when ever a new writer comes in and are about to do the same "mistake", we always try to get him/her to change their minds.

In the end for this club, it all comes out to help everyone to get faster, not individuals, but as a group. And so far, with the common knowledge in this Club, this have been a straight path eversince. This club have the fastest FWD in Sweden(every form of racing), not only one or two cars, but a whole bunch, all thanks to the spirit with-in this club to help everyone out, and not keeping secrets if you are the fastest. This is the true core of this club, and hopefully always will.

That is your point of view in me as a person, I do not have that attitude that I know all, It is you who write in a way to prove I am.
I have everything to do with the engine design and tuning that we do, and nothing to do with the suspension setup.
But I know what has been done and why, I also knew a set of wider tires will not fit.
I have the attitude that the car has been thought through, and I trust the team in the suspension setups, like they trust me in engine setup and tuning.
The car was fast around corners and REALLY fast on the straights. so one week given testing and mechanical upgrading I say the car did pretty good.


And The given time to get this car on the track we did fairly well, Im sorry for not taking your advice in tire setup, but I believe 20 years of experience will outdo your advice. As I remember you did not even have a drivinglicence 20 years ago. (neither do I but I have the other staff that do.)

Do not give me the we on hondaforum lection. the only person that seems to have a problem with it is you.
And Im sorry not to give you the suspension setup, but since you have so many guys that have experience here and you do not have any secrets, I believe you can just ask other persons on the forum for suspension setups instead.

Go to any racing teams and ask them for the car spesific setup and they will laugh to you, I mean ppl dont want us to show their poweroutput to anyone after we dyno their race car/teamcar.

Give me a break will you mr M scotte.