AT-performance tuned 488whp 18-19psi pumpgas stockbore.

[Atec]

If you dont believe me you can take a look at the two old"gray" ones lol
It is another REAL track car that Ive tuned(enginewise) it is setup with Moton 3way suspension and R-compound..

<a href="http://www.tv2underholdning.no/broom/ho ... 25662.html" target="_blank">http://www.tv2underholdning.no/broom/ho ... 62.html</a>

[Atec]

Here is also a pretty cool clip from one of the trackdays.

the quality stinks though, a handheld photocamera unable to zoom
hope to get something better in hand next year haha.

<a href="http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q240 ... I_1421.flv" target="_blank"></a>

[Jalle]

Ha ha, it looked really fast on the straights :thumbup:
It wold be nice to see the car irl, so I hope you will come and drive on some of our events next year.

Really nice car.

[Atec]

Ha ha, it looked really fast on the straights :thumbup:
It wold be nice to see the car irl, so I hope you will come and drive on some of our events next year.

Really nice car.

Yes I think It would be cool if I could get the company to pay a trip to trackdays in sweeden, I have a very good friend from Malmø,(a place I really love)


Thank you

[Asse]

Do not give me the we on hondaforum lection. the only person that seems to have a problem with it is you.
And Im sorry not to give you the suspension setup, but since you have so many guys that have experience here and you do not have any secrets, I believe you can just ask other persons on the forum for suspension setups instead.

I dont think he asked for your setup to copy it, I think he just wanted to give you some advice if needed.

Really nice car though, it looked fast at the straights

[Atec]

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And Im sorry not to give you the suspension setup, but since you have so many guys that have experience here and you do not have any secrets, I believe you can just ask other persons on the forum for suspension setups instead.

I dont think he asked for your setup to copy it, I think he just wanted to give you some advice if needed.

Really nice car though, it looked fast at the straights
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I know he did not want to copy it,I just explaines why the suspension setup is not listed.
If you read though the post with an open mind I think you will see the attitude and the way things are written it looks more like an attitude problem rather than helping.

but again I do the technical, engine and tuning, and listen to the other employes about technical setup suspension wise and I trust 20 years of suspension and track experience rather than M scotte .
And I KNOW no one cannot sit over an internet board and know what works with your spesific car.

If Id listned to his/the advice blindly, I would have damage the body of the car, or ended in the sandtrap of the track becouse the fenders would do the braking.


Thank you

[M Scotte]

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It wold be nice to see the car irl, so I hope you will come and drive on some of our events next year.

Really nice car.

Yes I think It would be cool if I could get the company to pay a trip to trackdays in sweeden, I have a very good friend from Malmø,(a place I really love)


Thank you
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Perfect Place. Then we can meet up and discuss in real life instead of over the net.
Or I can just drop by next time I´m in Drammen, training the norwegian Honda technicians.

[M Scotte]

I know he did not want to copy it, but I think the attitude and the way things are written it looks more like an attitude problem rather than helping.
but again I do the engine buiz, and listen to the other employes about technical setup suspension wise.
And I KNOW no one cannot sit over an internet board and know what works with your spesific car.

If Id listned to his/the advice blindly, I would have damage the body of the car, or ended in the sandtrap of the track becouse the fenders would do the braking.

Or might even be faster?

[Atec]

You should have a moderator that could moderate the moderator in this forum... hahaha...

[M Scotte]

That would be an admin, and that would be me.=)

What can I do for you?

[Atec]

That would be an admin, and that would be me.=)

What can I do for you?

Hahaha, you give me a good laugh mr Scotte, you might not know so much about this car, but you have a good sence of humor:)
:prop:

[NitraM]

your ITR is simply stunning, its beautiful, its fast, wicked nice engine work.
and you guys seemed to have some more nice cars in the same garage.

:notworthy: :wub:

[Malkolm]

Change your wheels and the problem with too small tires are gone, for example you can run the Volk re30 in 8"width and ET47. Or the enkei rpf1 also has great clearence for the spooncalipers.

And good look with your car! its seems to be a great machine

[Atec]

Change your wheels and the problem with too small tires are gone, for example you can run the Volk re30 in 8"width and ET47. Or the enkei rpf1 also has great clearence for the spooncalipers.

And good look with your car! its seems to be a great machine

The only problem with the weels I have are you guys bashing it, the thread on the slick 205 are wider than the azen 215. so stop beeing an ass about the with now please, it sounds so stupid when a recordbraker (power) show up what he have and you say change tires they do not work.
do you know that for shure? did you drive this particular car, os even saw it at the track? I dont think so. It is plain stupid to try tune the car over the internet.

I had no problems with tracktion we could brake late and had a good grip in turn ins and on the straights.
The only thing a wider tire would do is to let us do more laps without overheating the tires, but when the cooling water overheated after 10 laps I dont see the point.

[Atec]

your ITR is simply stunning, its beautiful, its fast, wicked nice engine work.
and you guys seemed to have some more nice cars in the same garage.

:notworthy: :wub:

Thanks man we try to have a little bit of everything. two trackready cars, this car, two showcars not done. and a new hopefully recordbreaker on the D-serie engine side

[Malkolm]

Im sorry, I just wanted to help you, I have no intention to tell you what to do or what not to do. But I can understand why you are upset after listnig to Scottes bad attitude.

Maybe with wider tires and fix the coolingwater you can drive it even faster. The fastest DC2´s in usa drive with 255 tires.

[Steffo]

The only problem with the weels I have are you guys bashing it, the thread on the slick 205 are wider than the azen 215. so stop beeing an ass about the with now please, it sounds so stupid when a recordbraker (power) show up what he have and you say change tires they do not work.
do you know that for shure? did you drive this particular car, os even saw it at the track? I dont think so. It is plain stupid to try tune the car over the internet.

I had no problems with tracktion we could brake late and had a good grip in turn ins and on the straights.
The only thing a wider tire would do is to let us do more laps without overheating the tires, but when the cooling water overheated after 10 laps I dont see the point.

Hi Atec!
Please stop being so protective and start seing the advise peolpe give you for what they are. Advice and not negative critisism. I agree that Scotte could have given his advice a bit less harsh though...

Personally I have traction problems in and out of corners with 215 wide Toyo R888 with a N/A 235 hp CTR. Your car is lighter and have a stiffer chassi, but about twice the power so it's obvious that wider tires would be a blessing on this car to squeeze the optimum out of it even if you find the 205 wide slicks good enough for your purpose. But as long as you are happy, that's what counts. :thumbup:

I would say that 3-4 of Swedens fastest FWD street cars (on Short, technical tracks at least) are within this club, and some of the owners to them have commented your car in this thread. Those cars have about half the power you have in your car and to be able to continously shave time off their old records they have developed their cars and chassis in particular over many years, so the experience in especially Civic handling improvements are very good here. Scotte for instance have spent sbout 10 years developing the same freakin car to be as quick as possible on a track but still be possible to use daily and on a limited budget.

[Atec]

<!--quoteo(post=566211:date=29 Sep 2009, 18:32:47:name=Atec)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Atec 4 29 Sep 2009, 18:32:47) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=566211"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The only problem with the weels I have are you guys bashing it, the thread on the slick 205 are wider than the azen 215. so stop beeing an ass about the with now please, it sounds so stupid when a recordbraker (power) show up what he have and you say change tires they do not work.
do you know that for shure? did you drive this particular car, os even saw it at the track? I dont think so. It is plain stupid to try tune the car over the internet.

I had no problems with tracktion we could brake late and had a good grip in turn ins and on the straights.
The only thing a wider tire would do is to let us do more laps without overheating the tires, but when the cooling water overheated after 10 laps I dont see the point.

Hi Atec!
Please stop being so protective and start seing the advise peolpe give you for what they are. Advice and not negative critisism. I agree that Scotte could have given his advice a bit less harsh though...

Personally I have traction problems in and out of corners with 215 wide Toyo R888 with a N/A 235 hp CTR. Your car is lighter and have a stiffer chassi, but about twice the power so it's obvious that wider tires would be a blessing on this car to squeeze the optimum out of it even if you find the 205 wide slicks good enough for your purpose. But as long as you are happy, that's what counts. :thumbup:

I would say that 3-4 of Swedens fastest FWD street cars (on Short, technical tracks at least) are within this club, and some of the owners to them have commented your car in this thread. Those cars have about half the power you have in your car and to be able to continously shave time off their old records they have developed their cars and chassis in particular over many years, so the experience in especially Civic handling improvements are very good here. Scotte for instance have spent sbout 10 years developing the same freakin car to be as quick as possible on a track but still be possible to use daily and on a limited budget.
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You can read the post again please, and see all the things done with the traction issue, Ive never had problems with traction, I have 384whp at the first 3 gears and 500+ at 4th and 5th, if I had ANY traction problems I would not beeing close of accieve 235km/h at the end of the straight line.
You have to read the post before giving any advices.

Our problems had not anything to do with traction and Im shure my 205 Slick are wider than your 215 toyo.
Even though it is rated 205, another thing is tire compund, what meakes you belive the rubber type of R tires give more traction, becouse it didnt, I drove with toyos and I drove with slicks..

Read the post!

Im getting sick of advices that are mainly for bashing purposes, and I have to draw a smile when you think becouse he diid this or another did that, it will work on this partikular setup.

You do not know anything about the car exept the power, and you shure have trubble to read all the info along with one more person here when I post it.
If I need ANY advices when it comes to tractoin I would like to hear it from a guy who have drove the car or something simular to the 530whp output. and with more than at least 15 years of track experience.

When I say the guys at the shop have 20 years of experience I dont lie, and if you took ANY time to read the post you will se that the slick compound in 205 with is the LARGEST we could go, and they were physically wider than the azen 215 tires. How many times do I need to write this?

Deliver the right weels in 6 days before the event, and roll the fenders I would shure use 240 Yoko full slicks, but that was never an option. and for now there is no more events, we need to sort out the cooling before the traction.

One can always go better if there was no limits. And I never said I dissagree with using wider tires, but read my words before giving advices that will NOT work for this setup as it is.

Listen to me when i say IT WILL NOT FIT, AND WE DID NOT HAVE TRACTION ISSUES, THE CAR WAS FASTER ON THE STRAIGHTS THAN THE CCR WITH 1000BHP!! and the goal whas to hit the 530whp barrier, and to have the most whp with less boost than anyone else, in a street car that is fast all around.
We have spesific non platet racecars with about 250 and 300hp for tight trackdays, and they all go N/A with a full uniball suspension and rollcage. that is where you have to go to be the fastest at a track.

Okidoki, that is the end of story about tires.

[M Scotte]

I´m the first one to correct my mistake about being a tad bit harsh in my judgement about this car, but I see such potential in the EG/DC chassis and with that type of power and the correct settings for chassi and rims/tires, it will absolutly fly around any type of track that are not to narrow. That is probably why I reacted in the harsh way. With the same setup as for an example Asse got on his DC2, and even maybe go to 255-40-17 in the corners, this would be a beast. With 205, it will have the same cornering speed as any EG/DC with correct chassi and will only use it´s power on straights, which is to bad.

Would it not be a perfect dream to actually go full on the apex of a curve with over 400hp in third gear with full traction in a FWD car?

[Atec]

I love the wide range of useage on that car... Hope it lasts too..

What happened to the blockbuster!!?? Busted the engineblock?

no it is not busted but soon.. haha,

Yes the always asked longlivity, I think the first thing to bust on this (white teg)are the stock sleeves, BC of the cylinder presshure. but as always it depends on the tune, the bad thing is the unstable octane number on the pump fuel, and with this engine that is set on the edge bad fuel will kill the engine fast.

We will finish the blockbuster in the end of this year I promise Welen, hope to reach the 1000whp barrier.
(really hope the gearbox can stand the dyno, but I believe a liberty box have to be ordered soon :/
I BET you have had a lot of high hp on your conscience by the two years we have not spoken

[Steffo]

Trust me. I have read the post a couple of times . Once again you jump like a pit bull at a post, quite unnesessary in my opinion. I was not trying to argue. I agree, lets forget about this tire business. It's getting quite tiresome anyway. :wacko:

[Atec]

Trust me. I have read the post a couple of times . Once again you jump like a pit bull at a post, quite unnesessary in my opinion. I was not trying to argue. I agree, lets forget about this tire business. It's getting quite tiresome anyway. :wacko:

Yes, if you get the same shit over and over again you get tired and act like that

Thank you!! I got a bit tired on the tire issue my self.

It would be better to discuss half and full size radiators, and placing of it becouse overheating was a problem after 10 laps.
I was thinking of placing the radiator in the boot, and build in a boot box with airducts from the roof. holes in the carbon trunk and a electric waterpump.

[Hammerin]

I am batteling with heating problems also, the cure is a 2 row fullsize radiator with pulling fans. You should have a shroud between the rad and the fans, for more effiecient cooling. Put the rad as close as you can to the intercooler for best cooling, otherwise ther will be turbulence and it will be like a wall of air infront of the rad. Fore even better cooling build a shroud in the front of the car leading all the air to the ic and the rad

And don´t forget if you place an oilcooler where the rad and ic is, then place it last, closest to the engine, beacuse it gets hotest of them all, and you dont want it to heat the other systems.

There is a German integra whitt simular settup as yours, they hav 400+hp and dont have any problems at the track, this is a track car, and nothing else. They hav almost 9litres of cooling water in their system.

Keep up the good work / Richard

[Atec]

Atec: yep but I have not been behind the steering wheel on anything over roughly 600 650hp.. And it is not that many building drag turbo hondas here.. I know of maybe 5-6 drag related b-series projects and 3 are first time builds.. That makes the builds take time for them.. But I have been around on some broken trannys and I would not go the liberty gear set route.. If you can get a liberty universal drag tranny.. well that is something else.. If you want a gearset for the honda caseings... Look into ppg or M factory dogbox drag gearsets those seem to be the strongest ones and have the raitios suitable for dragracing.. I am thinking about if one can weld up the case on the outside to keep the bellhousing from cracking but it wount be easy.. M factory are working on a billet bellhouseing.. Liberty has one allready.. Liberty seems to be a pain to deal with though.. I am also debating with my self if straight cut gears are the best route.. If the gears are cut with an angle like stock the force between the gears will turn both radius and horizontal.. With stright cut all of the force are radius directed and fighting to push the gears apart.. I allso try to understand which of those forces are cracking the cases first.. I have not come to any conclusions yet but I am debating on it.. Hope you get what I meen.. I think a type r tranny with stok gears will hold around 800hp on a dyno like dynopack and that is on the limmit already.. 1000 is not even to consider.. You will put it into orbit If I were you I would put the engine on an engine dyno outside the car..

I am dreaming of building a block/tranny buster my self but even if I may be able to aford the build. I Know I wont have the money to have it on the drag stripp for a couple of seasons.. Someone said: dragracing costs all you got.. If you have moore money you just go a little faster.. I am tempting but putting all I got in it is too much for me.

Yes Ive been looking into the M factory parts, but could not make up my mind either liberty or M factory. the liberty factory delivers machined bellhousings but again it REALLY cost money, and Ive seen good reps on the M factory gears.
but the money issue is why I was thinking to let it go and see if the stock tranny with a quaife, handcough and a new forged finaldrive and shaft would hold at least so I can get the dynosheet of 1000+

It is a mental target you know, but to use more than 800 of them is no point

Oh I know what you mean, Im in the end of beeing totally broke bc of the money spending. this things are just too expensive.

[Atec]

In my personal car I welded a radiator and put in the rear bumper.. I cut the sparevwheel compartment open and made like a defuser to the radiator in front of it.. I made aluminium pipeing to the eginecompartment and used a davis craig waterpump.. I have not tried it yet.. I have a half size front mount radiator in series with the one in the rear.. I will have fans all over the place.. Half way through I realized that I will have low airpressure under the car/in front of the rear radiator and I might have a very low air flow through the radiator.. Air ducts from the roof is a better ide in that aspect.. I thought of that before when I have seen a couple of other cars with roof ducts. It will suck when it rains thogh and it is hardly practical in an integra with the body design as it is.. If a custom larger than stock radiator in the front is´t an option I would look in to put the radiator facing straight up to the sky in the boot and have fans pulling air through it and vent through the boot/bumper in the rear facing backwards.. Spal 13" fans flows a lot.. A small help is redline waterwetter and oil coolers on the watercooling for the turbo if you got a garret ball bearing turbo.

Ahh, I have not thought of the lying rad setup in the boot.. That is a neat idea, You could make a tubular(Short) frame to mount the rad.

The only thing Im conserned about is if the fans give enough cooling. so I could drop the ducts, I was also thinking of lexan in the small sidewindow area, and into a welded alubox over the radiator.

let me know how your cooling setup works btw

[Atec]

I am batteling with heating problems also, the cure is a 2 row fullsize radiator with pulling fans. You should have a shroud between the rad and the fans, for more effiecient cooling. Put the rad as close as you can to the intercooler for best cooling, otherwise ther will be turbulence and it will be like a wall of air infront of the rad. Fore even better cooling build a shroud in the front of the car leading all the air to the ic and the rad

And don´t forget if you place an oilcooler where the rad and ic is, then place it last, closest to the engine, beacuse it gets hotest of them all, and you dont want it to heat the other systems.

There is a German integra whitt simular settup as yours, they hav 400+hp and dont have any problems at the track, this is a track car, and nothing else. They hav almost 9litres of cooling water in their system.

Keep up the good work / Richard

Yes that is the way the rad IC and oilcooler are placed now, but I think Im going to need to either forcefeed(as you say)the radiator with a duct or even better go with a fullsize one. but there is always the spase issue, and my denieal of cutting stock sheetmetal in order to make it fit

I also believe two fans will clog the flow,Ive seen racing cars without fans at all..
and what I need is one fan for street use, and a duct in the front to forcefeed the rad with air (if it is front mounted) or to build a system in the boot.

Thank you Richard